AFTL-FAQ Maintainer
2004-04-02 07:32:16 UTC
To all MEMBERS of this group, I am putting below an email I received
and the responses I got to my reply, after which I will post the
TRUTH!!!
I will SCAN the PROOF IN and email it to anyone who requests it.
The first email I got is as follows:
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:22 -0500
Subject: Ortman
From: Mark Stanley <***@comcast.net>
To: <***@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <BC834662.1714%***@comcast.net>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
X-GMX-Antivirus: -1 (not scanned, may not use virus scanner)
X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam)
Where's my money you fucking thief.
I have your address and I'm coming to get
my $250 you stole you fucking crooked piece of crap
---------------------
I responded with the Law regarding Obscene and Harassing emails, he
sent this:
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:46:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Ortman
From: "Mark Stanley" <***@comcast.net>
To: "AFTL-FAQ Maintainer" <***@gmx.net>
Mime-version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Message-ID: <***@mx006.gmx.net>
X-GMX-Antivirus: -1 (not scanned, may not use virus scanner)
X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam)
You know damn well that you cashed that check for $250 and that
you did not send me the product I ordered. There are scores of sites
all over the internet warning people about your scams, I came
to find after you robbed me.
What is my crime? Being stolen from? By all means, report me
to the authorities.
----------------
Okay, now the FACTS:
Mark Stanley placed an order for some videos, the total being $258.75.
On the order site, he chose Check....
What did he send us?
Pieces of paper as follows, the fields appeared typed, his respoinses
are hand written onto the pages:
Bank Name on Check: Sandy Spring Bank
Bank Address on Check: 17801 Georgia Ave, Olney, Md, 20832
Bank City: Olney
Bank State: Md
Bank Zip Code: 20832
Bank Country: USA
Account Holder's Name on Check: Mark Stanley
Check Number: 1135
I'm omitting the ABA and MICR codes he scribbled.
Is that a Check? NO!!
I am NOT a BANK, I can NOT use this inof for an ACH transfer. I sent
him a BILL by email, where he could sign up with online payment
services, and provide them the ACH information and they would do the
transfer of the funds to me.
So, what am I going to do?
I am going to make copies of the order he sent me, and send it to his
bank. I will wait for them to either honor the 'check' or send it
back as invalid.
If they send it back as invalid, I will turn this over to the Illinois
State Attorney and charge Mark Stanley with Felony Bad Check Writing.
He will be criminally charged with Felony Bad Check Writing.
I will also supply the 2 obscene emails, and he will be prosecuted for
a Class 3 Felony for the first email, and a Class 4 Felony for the
Second email.
---------------------
TO ALL READERS OF THIS NEWSGROUP.
I accept, payment by Check or Money Order, a REAL PHYSICAL BANK CHECK
or BANK or POSTAL MONEY ORDER.
Payments made by ACH or Credit Card must be made through an Online
Payment Processor that does these things.
I used to send bills through Paypal, until they ripped me off, like
they ripped off thousands of others, for more details go to:
http://www.paypalsucks.com
There are MANY other online Payment services that we use, they don't
FREEZE your accounts for no reason, and even though I sent Proof of
Delivery to Paypal, they still refunded the money to these buyers.....
That is Felony Retail Theft, and which is why I got a Letter from the
California State Attorney general that Paypal is under Criminal
investigation.
If you wnat to pay by Credit Card or Electronic Check by ACH, email me
for the payment processors to use.
Mark Stanley owes me an apology, and he needs to PRAY his BANK honors
the CHECK he sent me, or he will be charged with Felony Bad Check
Writing. Either way, he will be charged for Felony Harassment by
Email.
He NEVER sent me a CHECK. I never CASHED any Check, so I Never
received payment for his order.
Once again, when I send bills to poeple for orders they made, the
usual responses I get are: I never received any merchandise from you,
so I'm not paying, quit sending me bills....
I do NOT SHIP ANY ITEMS unless the ORDER IS PAID IN FULL!!!!!
If these people can walk into Wal-Mart, Kmart, etc., and just walk out
with a shopping cart full of items, and they tell the police, oh, I'm
not shoplifting, I'm going to take the items home, use them until I
get tired of them, and then return them, or if I like them, I'll pay
for them....
I don't play that game. RETAIL THEFT is RETAIL THEFT, it's a FELONY
HERE!!! Paypal has caused me to file Retail Theft Felony Charges
against them and the customers, because the merchandise was received,
then they STOPPED PAYMENT and were refunded the money...
My BANK won't reverse charges if I received the merchandise, I have to
return it. But since Videos can be duplicated, the ONLY thing is
replacment of the same title for a defective tape, provided the
defective tape is returned.
DO NOT DEAL WITH MARK STANLEY!!!!!!!
He writes RUBBER CHECKS, then accuses you of stealing his money, when
you never had anything cashed...
Mark Stanley better PRAY his bank honors his check, and sends me the
CASH. If they return these pages with a letter saying it is NOT a
VALID CHECK, then I turn it over to the State Attorney for criminal
prosecution......
I sent Mark Stanley a bill from a payment service online, he should
have paid it, he didn't, now he joins Dupas, SlaveTrainer, Kristofer
Danner, Glenn Chartrand and others as FELON Criminals, and will be
prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law......
I'm also going to request his BANK add service charges to the Check
for the cost of my making copies and having to mail it to them.
I'm also filing complaints against Mark Stanley with the BBB, FTC and
my State Attorney General for this so-called check, and if it fails,
it was done electronically, that's wire fraud, and if it fails as a
check, that's bank fraud, and since it was sent through the mail,
that's mail fraud, three more felony crimes.
Before ANYONE POSTS ANYTHING TO ANYONE ABOUT ME, they BETTER BE ABLE
TO PROVE THEY FILED COMPLAINTS with the BBB, FTC, Attorney General,
etc., and I refused to answer the complaints. They better be able to
SHOW a copy of the order, a copy of the payment made and accepted by
me, BY ME not accepted by PayPal, Inc., and then if I can't prove
delivery was made, I will replace the order, for the replacement
shipping cost. If I don't, then they can say I refused to HONOR a
LEGITIMATE SALE!!!!
Anyone saying they never got what they ordered, better PROVE they PAID
FOR THE ITEMS, or they will be sued for Libel, Slander, and Defamation
of Character.
and the responses I got to my reply, after which I will post the
TRUTH!!!
I will SCAN the PROOF IN and email it to anyone who requests it.
The first email I got is as follows:
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:22 -0500
Subject: Ortman
From: Mark Stanley <***@comcast.net>
To: <***@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <BC834662.1714%***@comcast.net>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
X-GMX-Antivirus: -1 (not scanned, may not use virus scanner)
X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam)
Where's my money you fucking thief.
I have your address and I'm coming to get
my $250 you stole you fucking crooked piece of crap
---------------------
I responded with the Law regarding Obscene and Harassing emails, he
sent this:
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:46:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Ortman
From: "Mark Stanley" <***@comcast.net>
To: "AFTL-FAQ Maintainer" <***@gmx.net>
Mime-version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Message-ID: <***@mx006.gmx.net>
X-GMX-Antivirus: -1 (not scanned, may not use virus scanner)
X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam)
You know damn well that you cashed that check for $250 and that
you did not send me the product I ordered. There are scores of sites
all over the internet warning people about your scams, I came
to find after you robbed me.
What is my crime? Being stolen from? By all means, report me
to the authorities.
----------------
Okay, now the FACTS:
Mark Stanley placed an order for some videos, the total being $258.75.
On the order site, he chose Check....
What did he send us?
Pieces of paper as follows, the fields appeared typed, his respoinses
are hand written onto the pages:
Bank Name on Check: Sandy Spring Bank
Bank Address on Check: 17801 Georgia Ave, Olney, Md, 20832
Bank City: Olney
Bank State: Md
Bank Zip Code: 20832
Bank Country: USA
Account Holder's Name on Check: Mark Stanley
Check Number: 1135
I'm omitting the ABA and MICR codes he scribbled.
Is that a Check? NO!!
I am NOT a BANK, I can NOT use this inof for an ACH transfer. I sent
him a BILL by email, where he could sign up with online payment
services, and provide them the ACH information and they would do the
transfer of the funds to me.
So, what am I going to do?
I am going to make copies of the order he sent me, and send it to his
bank. I will wait for them to either honor the 'check' or send it
back as invalid.
If they send it back as invalid, I will turn this over to the Illinois
State Attorney and charge Mark Stanley with Felony Bad Check Writing.
He will be criminally charged with Felony Bad Check Writing.
I will also supply the 2 obscene emails, and he will be prosecuted for
a Class 3 Felony for the first email, and a Class 4 Felony for the
Second email.
---------------------
TO ALL READERS OF THIS NEWSGROUP.
I accept, payment by Check or Money Order, a REAL PHYSICAL BANK CHECK
or BANK or POSTAL MONEY ORDER.
Payments made by ACH or Credit Card must be made through an Online
Payment Processor that does these things.
I used to send bills through Paypal, until they ripped me off, like
they ripped off thousands of others, for more details go to:
http://www.paypalsucks.com
There are MANY other online Payment services that we use, they don't
FREEZE your accounts for no reason, and even though I sent Proof of
Delivery to Paypal, they still refunded the money to these buyers.....
That is Felony Retail Theft, and which is why I got a Letter from the
California State Attorney general that Paypal is under Criminal
investigation.
If you wnat to pay by Credit Card or Electronic Check by ACH, email me
for the payment processors to use.
Mark Stanley owes me an apology, and he needs to PRAY his BANK honors
the CHECK he sent me, or he will be charged with Felony Bad Check
Writing. Either way, he will be charged for Felony Harassment by
Email.
He NEVER sent me a CHECK. I never CASHED any Check, so I Never
received payment for his order.
Once again, when I send bills to poeple for orders they made, the
usual responses I get are: I never received any merchandise from you,
so I'm not paying, quit sending me bills....
I do NOT SHIP ANY ITEMS unless the ORDER IS PAID IN FULL!!!!!
If these people can walk into Wal-Mart, Kmart, etc., and just walk out
with a shopping cart full of items, and they tell the police, oh, I'm
not shoplifting, I'm going to take the items home, use them until I
get tired of them, and then return them, or if I like them, I'll pay
for them....
I don't play that game. RETAIL THEFT is RETAIL THEFT, it's a FELONY
HERE!!! Paypal has caused me to file Retail Theft Felony Charges
against them and the customers, because the merchandise was received,
then they STOPPED PAYMENT and were refunded the money...
My BANK won't reverse charges if I received the merchandise, I have to
return it. But since Videos can be duplicated, the ONLY thing is
replacment of the same title for a defective tape, provided the
defective tape is returned.
DO NOT DEAL WITH MARK STANLEY!!!!!!!
He writes RUBBER CHECKS, then accuses you of stealing his money, when
you never had anything cashed...
Mark Stanley better PRAY his bank honors his check, and sends me the
CASH. If they return these pages with a letter saying it is NOT a
VALID CHECK, then I turn it over to the State Attorney for criminal
prosecution......
I sent Mark Stanley a bill from a payment service online, he should
have paid it, he didn't, now he joins Dupas, SlaveTrainer, Kristofer
Danner, Glenn Chartrand and others as FELON Criminals, and will be
prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law......
I'm also going to request his BANK add service charges to the Check
for the cost of my making copies and having to mail it to them.
I'm also filing complaints against Mark Stanley with the BBB, FTC and
my State Attorney General for this so-called check, and if it fails,
it was done electronically, that's wire fraud, and if it fails as a
check, that's bank fraud, and since it was sent through the mail,
that's mail fraud, three more felony crimes.
Before ANYONE POSTS ANYTHING TO ANYONE ABOUT ME, they BETTER BE ABLE
TO PROVE THEY FILED COMPLAINTS with the BBB, FTC, Attorney General,
etc., and I refused to answer the complaints. They better be able to
SHOW a copy of the order, a copy of the payment made and accepted by
me, BY ME not accepted by PayPal, Inc., and then if I can't prove
delivery was made, I will replace the order, for the replacement
shipping cost. If I don't, then they can say I refused to HONOR a
LEGITIMATE SALE!!!!
Anyone saying they never got what they ordered, better PROVE they PAID
FOR THE ITEMS, or they will be sued for Libel, Slander, and Defamation
of Character.